Thursday, August 28, 2008

Pelosi on abortion

This is what Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi had to say when she was asked when human life begins.......

Pelosi on Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press" was asked when human life begins.

She said:

I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition … St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose.

According Pelosi, she has 'studied' this issue for a long time but still doesn't know when life begins. She even makes an attempt to show that the Catholic church doesn't even know when life begins by quoting St. Augustine who said three months.

Augustine? The same Augustine who lived in the 5th century? That's her expert within the church on when life begins?

Funny she doesn't quote someone in the 21st century like.........

"To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence." The "Father of Modern Genetics" Dr. Jerome Lejeune, Univ. of Descarte, Paris

"By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic

Actually, Pelosi, we do know.........we have known for a long, long time. You do not care what the truth is because, you say, "the point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on a woman's right to choose."

That's what it all comes down to. To rid a female body of an have the control to end a life because she damn well chooses to.

This is an evil of the worse sort.

As our nation’s founding documents make clear, the right to life is God-given and inalienable. The right to live cannot be legitimately usurped by men. No man, no government has the right to deprive one of life or liberty without a trial by jury, regardless of skin color, age, stage of development, level of dependence upon others for survival, or place of residence.


Joseph A. said...

I think Way of the Master touched on this as well.

It just doesn't make any sense, does it...?

Doorman-Priest said...

I never quite manage to square the anti - abortion lobby with the pro - capital punishment and pro - guns lobby.

Seems to me like having your cake and eating it.

WayneDawg said...

It's Pro-Life, DP.

This is an easy one.....

We (Conservatives) don't murder innocent babies in the womb......

We (Conservatives) like to be well armed to keep people from killing us in our homes.....

We (Conservatives) believe capital punishment deters homicidal maniacs from continuing to do what they do best.....

steve martin said...

I think if taking a babie's life in the womb is alright, then taking a child's life, say...up to two years old ought to be alright also.

A little one really can't take care of themselves anyway, and why should they have to be a burden on the mother, and or father?

I do think capital punishment deters murder. Almost all convicted murderers will do anything and everything possible to keep from being put to death. Many times we have heard of paroled murderers killing again. They also murder other convicts within the prison system.

I think it is a terrible injustice to the families of murdered victims to have their killers kept alive, oftentimes to taunt the victim's family or make threats to them.

I too, feel much safer being able to protect myself with a firearm in my own home.

Statistics prove that criminals are much less likely to invade your home if they think there is a good chance they will be shot in the process.

Many thousands of people in the States owe their lives and the lives of their families to the fact that they were able to ward off their attackers, kill them, or detain them until the police arrived. These are things you just don't hear of very often in the 'gun hating' media.

steve martin said...

I wonder how many lives would have been saved if the Nazi's hadn't confiscated all the guns from the Jews (and others) before the start of WWII?

I think the Communist regimes in the Soviet Union and China also took the people's rights away to bear arm in those countries.

We know how many of it's own people those regimes slaughtered...millions.

Doorman-Priest said...

Wayne. I don't think anyone murders innocent babies. I do know that some doctors terminate foetuses, though.

It is very emotive and I am glad I do not have to make those moral choices. I would want to tighten up the law here, which looks strict but is riddled with loopholes. I could never say "No" under all circumstances but I would want to make it much more difficult under most circumstances.

I'd like to be convinced that capital punishment deters murderers, but your own national statistics suggest otherwise. You have one of the highest murder rates in the first world and yet you have capital punishment.

Joseph A. said...

That argument just doesn't work, as it assumes that killing an innocent unborn human being is morally equivalent to killing a convicted murderer. One is innocent, the other guilty. If they want to argue against capital punishment then they need better reasoning than that.

Very interesting points, Steve.

WayneDawg said...

*Wayne. I don't think anyone murders innocent babies. I do know that some doctors terminate foetuses, though.*

Any baby whose life has been taken against his/her will in the womb has been murdered. How can any Christian approve of the practice of infanticide? That boggles my mind....God have mercy of those who claim His name and support killing babies on the alter of pro-choice.

*I'd like to be convinced that capital punishment deters murderers...*

Not one single person ever executed for murder(s) has murdered again......

We have a high murder rate because there are too many un-armed folks in this country still.

Nashida Hakim said...

The trouble with all those views, from a Biblical perspective (I'm talking hypothetically here, for the sake of discussion) is that, according to Psalm 51, for example, a developing baby - at whatever age - is not "innocent." The Psalmist says he was "sinful from the moment my mother conceived me." Elsewhere, the God of the Bible says that "the soul that sins shall die." So, in the eyes of (ideal) human law, a fetus is more innocent than, say, a murderer - but not in YHWH's eyes.

Yet YHWH commands us both to punish by death the one who murders (e.g. Exodus 21:14) and to hold sacred the life that He creates.

Concerning whether capital punishment deters murder, there are data pointing both ways. Here is a fairly balanced, brief, statistical view view of the subject.

steve martin said...


I'm not sure if states within the U.S. that actually put murderers to death (like Texas)have a lower or higher murder rate than states without it. I'll check into it. That would probably be a truer reading than a country by country comparison.

I do know that 0% of murderers that were put to death were able to murder again.

WayneDawg said...

Nashida - The innocent ‘womb’ baby I am speaking of here is innocent in the sense that the child has broken no man-made laws. The child has not had a trial by jury, found guilty and sentenced to death for the taking of a life or lives.

We are all sinners at conception and throughout all the stages of development; that’s why we need a Savior!

And, my point still stands.... no person that has been executed has ever murdered another person again; that person has been detered from murdering.

Doorman-Priest said...

I don't particularly have a problem with capital punishment per se...EXCEPT that we don't always get it right. Certainly not here we didn't. The prospect of judicially murdering an innocent person disturbs me, especially when an elected official has the final say and may have an eye on his poll rating.

So that peson never murders again: of course not. But it doesn't seem to deter others.

Keeping someone in jail for life also protects society from them. Very occasionally the appeal process subsequently works for them because they were innocent in the first place. We should have a horror of such miscarriages of justice.

Individual terminations do not make infanticide. Each case has to be be judged on its merits. If that means that most requests are rejected, then so be it, but I think there may well be a minority of occasions where Christian compassion may dictate exceptions. I could never say "never."

Good to "see you" again Nashida.

Wayne, not seen you over at my place recently.

steve martin said...


I don't think we can accurately know how many people did not commit murder because they knew they'd lose their life if they did.

Mistakes are made but they are miniscule %. One person losing their life unjustly is a horrible thing. But I say there are far more people in danger from letting a murder live. You now have a murder who is basically free to murder others while in prison. And then because of the liberal judicial system in the states (or at least the presence of many liberal judges and parole boards...many murderers do get out and do murder again.

I mentioned before that I also believe it to be a particular cruel act towards the families of the murdered victims to keep the murderers of their beloved alive to torment them further. Not a very decent thing to do to folks who have had a piece of theirs lives ripped away from them already.

Thnaks D.P., Wayne.